Dawn's Early Light Podcast Episode 16: AI's Unfortunate Rise

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SPEAKER_01 0:02

Alright, we gotta do it again.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Welcome back! Happy Friday. Episode 16. I was not here for episode 15. I'm still recovering from being under the weather, is putting it lightly. It was quite the guy's been sick a lot. Quite the illness the last couple weeks, and I got another head cold like last week, so hopefully we're on the back end of that. But Cooper handed it handled episode 15 and now we're here. Go watch it. It's with uh Senator Lippincott, former Top Gun pilot. Pretty uh pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's a really good episode. So we got a couple talking points today. Uh but first it's been a little bit. It's been like I think a little over a week, right, since we've both been. I guess you filmed last week, right? So it's been a couple weeks, I think. So yes, we've both been uh in front of the camera. Yeah, so it's good to be back. Uh trying to keep things moving again. Um we have coming up on the 3rd. June 3rd. June 3rd. Yes. The Republican It's like a fundraising. Yeah, so we'll be at that. Um, yeah, it's from like 8 30 to 4, so we'll be there for that. Um that's really the only news I can think of coming up.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah. Um, you know, we're still uh uh hoping to get some more funds, and um, if you feel so inclined, please buy a pack hat, $30 in the description. Uh you'll find a link. Um please feel free to buy one, we'll ship that out to you. Or if you know us personally, we'll just give it to you. Uh we have some talking points today. We do. The main one we want to discuss is AI and kind of the the rise in uh its uh pervasiveness in uh America and the decline of its popularity, I think has taken a massive sharp downward turn. Uh but before that we want to just uh touch on a number of things that we had mentioned previously, uh like revisiting a couple of uh topics, the main one of which is Iran.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Yeah, uh Iran was one that we said we would come back to in the future uh as things progressed, and we're still kind of in a standstill, I would call it. Um negotiations are so-so trunky.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Oh yeah, I remember he said that, and I guess it's been a week and there hasn't been any deal yet.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Yep, and so I kinda I'm I'm sticking with my uh same stance of no boots on the ground. I really don't even consider it a war. I know a lot of people are calling it a war on Iran. It's yeah, it's not really it's more just a a massacre. Yeah, our KD ratio's pretty nuts. Yeah, I was talking to Cooper beforehand and I didn't check the stats, but I think we're still at 13 American deaths. I believe so. Could be wrong, but maybe a few more, but I mean the Iranian deaths are significantly higher. So um yeah, we'll kind of we'll keep that kind of in the back of our minds as as things progress. Uh still not a fan of boots on the ground. But it's only been three months. It's only been three months. I I will say, I know Steven Crowder came out with a video talking about it, and I kind of agree with his stance where I mean if it, you know, three, six months down the road and we're still in the same spot, it's be like, alright, yeah, maybe we need to reassess this or figure out what's going on. But right now, I mean, things take time, and I'm I am a fan of peace when it comes to these. So, you know, if we're if we're done bombing stuff, I'm I'm cool with that. You know, if we want to take it slow on bombing more things, so I'm pretty alright with that.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Uh yeah. The government of Iran has to go. The Islamic, the IRGC. Um, I mean, they throw gay people off of buildings for being gay. And they want nukes, and they chant death to America. Parliamentary meetings. Um, not a good look. Uh, can't let a government like that exist and have nuclear weapons. So um totally in support of the things at the current moment. Again, uh if you want our more in-depth thoughts, reference back to episode eight, I believe, um uh titled Iran, parentheses, Persia soon. So hopefully that's still the case.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

But and then for uh all the keyboard warriors on like Instagram and Facebook, I've seen a lot of posts recently talking about how like we're gonna lose this war. I don't think that's gonna happen. I don't I think we're good. Yep, America's going to capitulate to Iran. Iran, yeah, a third world country. And yeah, so I I think we're doing alright. I think you know, keep boots off the ground, uh, keep American deaths to an absolute minimum and keep doing what we're doing, and we'll revisit this whether it's three months from now and there's still a war, and we have to maybe readdress like, alright, what's going on? Maybe the maybe it's the next episode. Yeah, or maybe, you know, in the in four days we come to a resolution or we start something bigger, who knows? But yeah, right now our stance is pretty clear. I don't really consider it a war. It's just we're there right now and we just need to wrap it up, I think. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

I am pretty much in agreement with that, yeah. All right, on to uh our main topic of discussion today, which is AI. Um, the first thing that I wanted to ask you, Caleb, was what are your kind of thoughts surrounding AI and uh what you're seeing with like the data centers that are being built and the massive outpouring of uh negativity toward that uh and kind of how how you expect AI to be in our futures.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

You know, one of my favorite things is actually yesterday I was working and I was scrolling through Facebook and I saw a post on Facebook and it said keep AI data center or AI data centers out of Nebraska. It was made with AI. So I thought that was Was it really? Yeah, so I thought I was like, wow, that's funny, actually. It's super fun. It's really ironic. But uh that aside, I do think it's a rising issue, and I always think of the have you seen the Will Smith meme where it's like Will Smith eating spaghetti with AI in like 2020 or whatever, and now it's how much it's advanced, and I always think about that. And uh, we've already seen that it is starting to replace jobs. I know there's a a Taco Bell right by my apartment, and their drive-thru is completely AI. Like no person on the headset, I was talking to them about that one day, I was like, what's going on here? And they're like, Yeah, we just replaced it with AI, and wow. Now you have a chat GPT subscription instead of an employee. So I mean it is starting to take jobs, and I think it is a legitimate concern for people. Um it's a it's a huge deal right now because we have these data centers that are eating up fresh water, which I know I think they're what attempting to find a solution to that or something, but I have no idea. As it stands right now, I mean they're taking up a lot of space, a lot of resources. I can see it being a big concern in the future. And the Pope just spoke out about it, actually. So that's how you know it's for all of our Catholic viewers.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

It's reaching a it's reaching basically called like a crusade on AI. Yeah. Sort of. Not not really, but like he said that AI needs to be um dismantled, or like can't remember the exact word to use, but uh the Pope spoke out against AI pretty uh adamantly.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

And I think we we see this with a lot of things, um, like cell phones, for instance, where it is a tool, you and you can use it as a tool, but there's just so many ways that that just gets out of control. You have so many negative things, the dark web that comes from phones, you have screen time addiction, social media, which I I we preach pretty big about that, like living in your social media echo chamber and you're just always on your phone. So, I mean, with with most very bad. And with most things, I mean it can be a tool, but it can very quickly turn into an addiction or some negative thing. I mean, that goes for a lot of things, to be honest. I mean whether it's alcohol, smoking, whatever. But the issue I see with AI is that has a lot more power than a lot of on like a grander scale.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Yes, and um I I've seen uh votes in like towns or whatever uh that vote overwhelmingly to not have an AI data center in their county or whatever, and it gets overridden, uh, which I think is is kind of scary. Uh and I am a I'm a big advocate for or sorry, I what's the opposite term for advocate? Uh that's a good question. Somebody, a discreditor, I don't know. Um like uh yeah, I can't think of it. I am against AI for the most part. I think AI has some uses that like on your phone or whatever, right? Like you the Google AI search engine, that can efficiently kind of you know, sort through the web articles and everything. Like that sort of AI I think is fine. Um but when you're talking about building these data centers that create all of this uh noise pollution and all of the uh fresh water that it takes for these uh AI data centers to keep cool and the electrical toll that uh is on them, we just don't need it. And it's uh I think going to be one of the most consequential things in kind of the future of what America looks like. If America is going to be uh a place where the common man's voice is heard, because uh the vast majority of places that these AI data centers are being proposed to, they're getting struck down, but in some of them they are uh disregarding the people's opinions and they're just going forward with it anyway, which I don't know how it's that's legal at all. But um yeah, I that's one thing that I'm very concerned about.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Yeah, that's a really big deal. Um kind of overruling the people's opinion on the internet.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

Yeah, I think there was one in Maine. I think it was in Maine. Um there's gonna be one of the biggest AI data centers, and uh the people of the county that it was going to be in like held a vote, and it was like overwhelmingly no, we don't want this here. But uh they somehow overrode that and they're going forward with it anyway. It's like it's like taking somebody's house to build a freeway, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Yeah, and I'm kind of wondering also kind of the second that, like, what's the like the end game of like why do we need all these data centers? Is there some underlying tone that we don't know? Is it like just trying to get a jump on other countries, other whatever, you know, having access to AI? Are we trying to get a jump on China and like have like the AI race of 2030, you know? Like the AI race sounds terrible. That sounds miserable.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Yes, that sounds like the that sounds like the opening to Terminator.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

Mm-hmm. I don't know. Oh, I just saw this other the other thing, this other thing. Um, did you see the robots that were running a marathon? No. And how oh, it's like maybe in 2024 or 25, I could be getting those years wrong, but it's like a a few years ago, like the robots couldn't even finish the race, and then 26, like with AI and everything, they're able to like run faster than humans already. It's like it's crazy to think about like how fast that progresses. And then, you know, just in advancements in technology, when you go from you can get a bunch of human brains to now just plug it into this computer and it'll solve whatever you know eventually will get there. I just seems very problematic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

Uh another thing that I I I saw was uh there are there have been a few commencement speeches that I've seen where the person holding the speech, uh, some boomer, like some some out-of-touch old person, uh is like AI is rising and powerful, and it's going to be your jobs to be the ones to in to innovate and bring AI into the new age, and then everybody just starts booing. And they're like, what, what, what did I say? What what you guys don't like that? What? And they're just completely out of touch because they don't understand that if AI gets to that point, like there's not going to be jobs. They're gonna take boomers' jobs. Good grief. Well, yeah, uh they don't care because they're they're heading into retirement.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah, they they bought their house for a cow and a nickel back in the 1900s. So they're the cows are you know very valuable. That's true. Like 800 pounds a week. I paid five raspberries.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

This two-bedroom, two-bath home.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

My management with the gargoyle oil on the little we're we're driving to uh through a city and we saw this really nice house that had a gargoyle on the chimney. We're like, that would be sweet. That's how you know you've made it.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

If you can just afford to put a gargoyle on your home.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

So if Pack ever takes off and you're driving down a road in Nebraska and you see a house with a gargoyle, it's one of us. It's us. We will have turned gay and moved in together for tax benefits. That's right. It's like we just see the tax benefits. Um But I saw something similar with the whole boomer thing. They did like they were doing like a graduation, like a high school graduation, and they'd used AI to like bring the names up and then it malfunctioned. And it malfunctioned, and they just like didn't say anybody's name. I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. That's just pure laziness. And you know, this also kind of goes into like the the education system, like people using AI to cheat on tests, and all the adults and teachers getting super upset with children for using AI, and then they use AI to grade assignments and stuff like that. It's just it's just gonna sort of take over if they can have a job anymore.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Yeah, I think it's uh I think it's sneakily becoming one of the most dangerous issues facing our country at the moment. Uh the rise of AI. Uh is uh I think going to take a big effort from our generation and the generations after us to because I I think you know Gen X and uh Boomers. Like millennials and maybe even millennials are I don't know if I I think millennials are pretty against AI for the most part, but the Gen X and the boomers, they're all for it, man. And uh they don't I don't think they get, you know.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Well, and we've talked about this, I feel like, in other episodes where it feels like Um like generations past, like I'm thinking like World War II, World War I, these parents are fighting for their their kids to have a better life, and then it feels like the boomers in our generation, you know, the adults, the grandparents, are really just kind of focused on themselves, and then it's like we don't really care about the repercussions of what we're doing because when we die, it's like whatever, you know, we've already made it in life. So I I do see that as a pretty legitimate concern. And kind of going to what you're talking about, like our generation kind of locking it down. We either really need to put a I don't think we're ever gonna like it's gonna end. Like there's not gonna be like Yeah, no, we're never not going to disappear. No, we're never gonna convince the US government to just get rid of AI. But I do think we could put a hopefully like a leash on it and try to regulate it. Regulate it and keep us from becoming the WALL-E, the WALL-E people on the on the ship, just sitting in your chair with a screen right here, just because I think it's a pretty legit.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

And then you get Hal from uh Well my gosh. No, uh that's what you that's what the WALL E thing's based off of. What is the movie? Hal from uh I can't think of the name. It's the space movie where uh the machine is it like it's like AI and it turns oh well. Hold on, I gotta look this up because it's gonna be I was thinking he was talking about the wheel.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Yeah, that's that's Hal. Um and he's like they're trying to over override the ship, and he's like, no. Machine in space.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Slight intermission. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, Hal 9000 from 2001 Space Odyssey. Sorry, I completely know. Yeah, 2001 Space Odyssey. Um yeah, apologies. But um yeah, if you uh want to look at what AI could potentially look at in the future, 2001 is Space Odyssey. I think it um it is a it's a great film on its own, but uh Hell 9000 from it is I think what AI could turn into.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Yeah, I always think of Wally, I think it's probably because I see it on Instagram quite a bit, like the WALLEG people are just in their fat like chairs. Yeah, like just floating around. Floating around watching TV all day. Yep. Some people are already there.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Oh yeah. No, there's uh and AI has uh I think begun to creep into our entertainment sphere, which takes away from uh artists and everything. Which there was this mass exodus from Spotify from a bunch of artists. Uh one of my favorites, uh King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Uh they took all their stuff off of Spotify. Yeah, I know, right? But they took all their stuff off of Spotify because Spotify is pushing out AI artists, which I think is trash.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

And like pure slopping cards. Get a, you know, get a grip. Like, you know, you should be able to see that, oh, these people aren't reacting with, you know, do they just think that like oh if we just force it, eventually they'll they'll submit.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

It really baffles me how tone-deaf corporations can be. Like they all of the money that they put into um, you know, knowing their audience and you know, marketing and business, and they're just so tone-deaf. It's like you you see it with those commencement speeches of like these CEOs or whatever who are talking at their alma mater. And people are just like, no. Yeah, they're like, it's your generation's job to help AI into the future, and everybody starts booing, and they're just genuinely like, what did uh what? What it's like, what are you talking about? What? You're talking about ushering something in that's going to replace the very thing that I went to this school for. Um yeah, I don't know. It people uh from my experience uh are very tone-deaf. Um there's you know, I have stopped using AI for just about everything other than like basic like searching and um like finding out answers to things. Um but like I I used to like create uh like birthday card images for my coworkers, and I did it like one time and like I put this guy's face over like a superhero thing because he likes he likes superheroes. And like after I did it, I started, I was like, oh yeah, this will be this will be cool. This will be like this will be kind of a fun thing. And then I kind of figured out what AI could potentially be in the future, and then I put my coworker's face into the machine learning. And yeah, yeah, and I was like, oh, no, no, I probably shouldn't have done that.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

He's he's done for. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Um so yeah, I'm a I'm totally against using AI now for um things other than just like basic research and like answering maybe like maybe medical questions, which you have to take with a grain of salt, or like any other sort of um intellectual, like, oh, what is this, why is this, how, you know, all of the all of the things like that.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

It'll be the first one to end up in one of the matrix pods, you know, the robots needs to be the uh enemy number one.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Which also I I I may have touched on this before, but are you familiar with Roko's basilisk? I don't think so. It's this thought experiment where um eventually we will create a machine that will be powerful enough to kill us, and it will only it will kill everybody who did who did not have a hand in uh helping it. Um so that's that's that thought experiment, um, which is uh So it's like do you help it or do you try to like it? Exactly. So it's yeah, it's like do you help it along on its path or preserve your own life or the people that you love's lives, or do you not, but people are also probably just gonna do it anyway. So you're kind of screwed. It's like that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

It's like that uh Instagram question or that social media question that's going around, did you hear the red button, blue button question? It was, I don't know, the answer seems super obvious to me. So leave your answer in the comments below if you've heard this red button, blue button. But the blue button was if at least 50% of the so everybody in the world is presented with a red button and a blue button. If 50% or more of the people in the world press the blue button, nobody dies. But if you press the red butt if more than 50% of the people press the red button, only the blue button people die. So the thought experiment is like What? How's that even a thought? You press the blue button. Press the red button.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

I thought okay, you said so if 50% or more press the blue button, everybody lives. Yes. So why wouldn't everybody just press the red button?

SPEAKER_00 20:44

So everybody should just because you know people are gonna So everybody should press the red button because there's no risk. If you press the red button, you don't die. Guaranteed. But if you press the blue button, you're taking a chance to die. Wait, what was the red button again? So the blue button is if 50% of the people in the world press it, everybody lives. Oh, only 50%? 50% or more. Or more or greater. Yeah. But if you uh if 50% or more press the red button, the blue peop blue button people die. So it's like if everybody just pressed the red button is like guaranteed safety.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Yeah, so everybody should just press the red button because nobody would press the blue button.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Because if you're pressing the blue button, then you're just kind of condemning your yourself. It's like you're you're putting it's like you're putting yourself in the way of the train. Well either or it it just it just takes communication. Like yeah, but the thought experiment is like, well, people are like, well, you should press the blue button because you're you're helping save people's lives. It's like nobody's life would be in risk if you just press the red button. So it's a really interesting thought experiment. There's a lot of battling back and forth online. I think that's a really good one. So that is a good one.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Um back uh with with AI um there is I think uh an alarming uh like you we touched on it earlier, like progression with it. Yes. What do you think is What AI is going to look like in five years, like in 2031. Like, what do you think AI is going to look like? I just got this thought.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Have you seen the South Park episode where they're introducing like the Alexa? So it's really funny. So they're like introducing the Alexa, and all the rednecks are really mad at them going, they took our jobs. That's where that comes from. They took our jobs. And so they like grab a bunch of like musical instruments and like all this stuff, and like they turn into the Alexa. So it's like a redneck sitting on a desk with like a guitar and like some like notes, and it's like, hey Alexa, play this song. And we starts like playing the song. It's like it's super funny, but I always get that envisionment of like it's like AI is gonna take our jobs. And I do think that is a legitimate concern that um we were already seeing in you know in fast food, Taco Bell, they're replacing people. And to the credit of corporations, it is a lot easier to just have AI do absolutely for you.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

I mean, if if you were at the whim of your shareholders and they were like, look, it's gonna make us more money if we replace all of these low-level you know cashiering jobs or whatever with machines that all we have to do is pay for a service tech to you know work to maintain the upkeep on them instead of hiring, you know, a dozen floor employees that you have to pay every every you know every pay period.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

A dozen 17-year-olds is that yeah. So I'm trying to think, you know, put that in my own shoes. Like if I was running a business and it was one option is pay this guy a $70,000 salary a year or spend $30 on a Chat GPT subscription. You know what I mean? It's it's like I I understand it from that viewpoint, and so it's gonna take like a genuine effort to do something about it. To like I said, I don't think we're gonna get rid of it, but to say, hey, we just don't want this to be a part of our everyday life. Like this is just weird. Boycotting stuff, like maybe just like, hey, I'm not gonna go back to Taco Bell. Like if you guys can use AI, like I'm just not gonna touch it. Right. Because that stuff does work. We've seen it work.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

Well, because it's all money driven. Yes. And so if if they're not making money, eventually they'll get the message.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

And I will say, every time I see an ad or anything that uses AI, you can just immediately tell it's like I'm never using that.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Like, I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Exactly. I don't care, I don't want it.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Like Coca-Cola uh using their AI, uh using AI in their commercials. I didn't drink pop anyway, but like I I remember it's like, oh, Coca-Cola uses AI for their commercials instead of hiring people to do the commercials. I do not support Coca-Cola.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah, so they're like, they're becoming a part of the problem. So we'll never take a Coca-Cola sponsor shit. Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Coca-Cola. This bridge is burned, baby. Boycotted. Hack and Coca-Cola are never getting back together. Ever. We're done. It's like on the island, we're gotta write Coca-Cola. Yeah, yeah, Survivor. Oh, dude. Yeah, and there's other corporations that have used AI for their ads. Um, Spotify's another one that has used uh AI or promotes AI artists, uh, which I don't use Spotify. I use YouTube Music because YouTube has not dived into the AI, they don't promote AI content. Like obviously you can upload AI content to YouTube, right? But they're not explicitly pushing it like Spotify was.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

Yeah, so I think that's uh definitely a big issue to be considered. Is there anything else you can think of you want to touch on AI-wise? Uh yeah, one last thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

When it comes to the future uh in AI, eventually it's and I've already started to see it. Sometimes uh you can't tell what's real and what's not. There has like I'll sometimes I'll be scrolling or whatever, and I'll see a video, and then something outlandish will happen, like a dog just like gets a jetpack and flies off. Oh my gosh, I did not know that this video was AI until that happened. The jetpack dog. Yeah, until the jetpack dog. Um and so if that's already what it's it's already tricking me, which I would consider myself fairly, you know, uh tech savvy, not like a crazy amount, but like I grew up with computers and online. Like I I can kind of I can point out an AI thing most of the time pretty consistently. There is a big cause for concern when it comes to like people using AI for like crimes.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

And like I I did, I didn't want I was thinking about that earlier because there's big especially blackmailing. There's because you have blackmailing, and that's a legitimate thing that people were doing. My friend was a part of it, like there were Snapchat bots that were doing it, and they would like it's like they'd ask for a picture of your face and you'd send it, and then they'd like Photoshop it basically on something inappropriate, and they'd be like, if you don't pay us, we're just gonna send this to all your friends. Wow. And then they'd create like an yeah, it was like a crazy thing for a while. I think I've seen it a couple times, but that is just opens a crazy door to to things like that. And it's not even blackmail of like your everyday Joe. That can go into politicians and you know, the sky's the limit with that. Yeah. You just need, you know, Trump's face and can do whatever, you can make whatever you want.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Well, I think scammers are um are beginning to use AI now um pretty heavily. And, you know, these this older generation, greatest generation down to the boomers, and even most of Gen X has a hard time distinguishing what is AI and what's not AI.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

So when you have Facebook is quite the tell on that. Yeah. If you've ever scrolled through Facebook and you see an AI thing and there's a bunch of old people commenting under it, like, oh my goodness, that's so adorable, it's like, wow. That's concerned.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Yeah, yeah, I I see, yeah, it's just like, oh my gosh. 100,000 likes, and you're like, from who? Yeah. Um, yeah, that's a whole nother thing. But um when yeah, when you have this older generation that already gets scammed a whole bunch, like I had to stop, love my mom, God bless her, but I had to stop her from talking to this. I like caught her on the phone, she was talking to these people, and it was like Verizon or whatever. And I overheard the conversation, I was like, this does not sound right. So I like told her to hang up and whatever, and like I looked up the number, and it was it was not Verizon's like customer help number at all. Um wasn't a negative. It wasn't even no, it wasn't even like a 1-800 number. It was just like a number. Like just like a just a normal number. 347. Yeah, yeah. And uh the guy had like an Indian accent, obviously, so it's like, yeah, like you can't, like, I don't know, just the the older generation does not um pick up on I think our generation has a good sense of like what is real and what's not. The older generation does not. And it's because they haven't grown up in the digital age. They grew up in a time before all this digital.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

I was watching Transformers when I was like, what, 10, 9, something like that? Like Transformers aren't real. Sorry to break into you if you're elderly and watching this, but yeah, Optimus Prime.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Yeah, he's not a real guy. You can't, you can't some like vote. I can just see some like seven-year-old overhearing that's like, no. Santa's real though.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Santa's real. So here you go. Yeah, saw him last week.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

It's like a pack trip to the North Pole. Yeah, he was smoking a cigarette behind the public library. So, boys. Cool. What up, Saint Nick? Uh, but yeah, um AI being used for crimes, like blackmailing, um, like sexual things, uh, like uh, you know, sexual blackmail. Uh I've I've seen I've heard stories of um like high schoolers like making AI porn of one another, which is really disturbing. And thankfully they put pretty severe kabod, like child pornography charges on on some of those people that were responsible. Um but yeah, it's a very, very dangerous thing. So if you if you use AI very regularly, uh I would warrant I would at at least uh ask you to think about what repercussions could be following you using AI and you helping AI gain a foothold in our culture.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

And I must say, kind of with our conversation with Senator Bryan, where we were talking about kind of like the education system and how you know AI integrated stuff. It's also rotting kids' brains. It's rotting kids' brains, and um you just I I'm glad that I, you know It nicked me. It nicked me, but it didn't quite, you know. Uh because if I had had that when I was in, you know, middle school.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Like, yeah, I I could go home and do my homework for four hours, or I could just put into Chat GPT and be done in 20 minutes. Yeah, why why wouldn't I?

SPEAKER_01 30:57

I think I said this on that that very interview, but I used AI for like one assignment, and I just it was like a copy and paste, and I got like a an A- on it or whatever. And I was like, whoa, this is incredible. Uh but then I kind of came to my senses and was like, well, I literally didn't learn one single thing about what was being taught. And I'm getting my degree, I should probably use that.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

You know, and as I've gotten older, there is a lot of importance in learning how to study, too, how to how to learn. Like learning how to learn is so important. That's what school is actually for. And while, yeah, and while I think elementary to high school. Watch episode, I want to say it's episode 12, where we kind of delve into the education system with Senator Brian. Senator Brian Harden. I I'm a big uh I'm probably like enemy number one of the education system. Like I just I don't like how it's for like set up. But I will say I don't think we need 13 years to learn how to learn, but it it is very important to learn how to learn.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

And obviously you learn how to read, you learn how to do basic things. Yeah, exactly. You learn basic history, basic sciences.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Um it's all very important. And learning how to study, learning, yeah, there's just there's so much to that. And if you learn, learning how to work, like because that's what it's homework, right?

SPEAKER_01 32:14

So it's teaching you how to work, which is what you're going to need to do in order to be a productive member of modern society.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

And and of course, work looks different for everybody. Me and Cooper are very different schedules, and we still both work pretty hard. And so I think everybody learns differently. It's a very genuine thing, but it is important to learn how to learn, learn how to work, learn how to study, all that kind of stuff. So AI is incredibly detrimental to all of that.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Yeah. If I oh my gosh, I cannot imagine being a kid now. I would like to do it. I would have, I would have totally used it all the time. Not until college. And even when I was in college, I like I f I I tripped up and I used it that uh that one assignment. And if I was 10 years old, like learning, you know, oh this stupid, I don't want to do mixed numbers, you know, like what fractions? I'll just plug it into my uh my chat GPT and uh it'll give me the answers and it'll it'll I'll tell it to show the work as well and it'll do it. Yeah. Um, which I guess if you pay attention, you can learn that way. But uh as a 10-year-old, you're not doing that. You're just copying them down so you can go play outside or whatever. Yeah, go do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

You know, probably playing Fortnite or something, because you know, but yeah, I I see that being a huge issue. So what's the solution? I don't know. Maybe we need to brainstorm like what we could do because I mean, obviously, like boycotting. Obviously, is that boycotting is a really big deal.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Voting in a legislature that brings up AI things, voting against AI data centers being in your area.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Um I will also say I I was watching another interview, two political speakers kind of talking about the like upcoming election on the Republican side, like is gonna be Vance, it's gonna be Rubio, and looking at and taking that as a genuine consideration, like which one of them is like really pro-AI, and maybe uh maybe we don't go for that guy, which guy's really like pro-palantiers and being like, ah, maybe we don't go with that guy, like maybe we should look for a different option. So I think that should matter with your president, your governor, your senators, everything. Um whether they're a Democrat or Republican, you really have to look at policy, and I think that's a genuine thing. I mean, I bring this up quite a bit, but you we talk to people on campus and they say they're a Democrat, but they only agree with one Democrat thing. I'm I'm a Democrat, but I only agree with or I only agree with their immigration policies, everything else I think is bad. It's like, okay, they're just Republicans that disagrees on immigration. There's Democrats like that too. There's Democrats that say, you know, maybe we're pro-choice, but we hate AI data centers and stuff like that. And that should be a genuine consideration when you're thinking about political people to vote for, who to endorse or support.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

So yeah, absolutely. Um another, yeah, another solution um would be uh just spreading awareness about what AI can potentially become, um what it already has become, what it's being used for, and opening people's eyes up to the actual issue. Um and if you're a proponent for AI, please comment and let us know your perspective. Uh we love to read comments and listen to what other people believe. So uh if you are, you know, all aboard the uh AI training. AI train boy. The big boy, yeah, um, you can uh please leave a comment and uh hopefully we'll be able to uh discuss it with you further. But I can't see any good reasons to keep AI going at this pace, um, other than maybe the fact that AI like another like one thing that I heard about AI is that it's it's it's helping medical innovation out quite significantly, which obviously is incredible. Um so AI obviously isn't all bad, but I think the cons outweigh the pros. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

And I mean the excuse is probably that it's just new technology and ooh scary, and obviously I don't think AI is gonna bring the end of the world. Right. That's that's Scott's job, not ours, but Rome didn't fall in a day, and just because you know the world doesn't end doesn't mean America's gonna be here when revolution takes place, and so I mean it's important that we address these issues because if they keep going, I mean yeah, Rome Rome didn't fall in a day. Very easily slow trickle. The average empire lasts about 250 years. And that's where we are, that's that's why big boy's doing his tour. So I think that's important in a lot of it. Oh, I was just reading uh what verse or what?

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Sorry, uh there's a clock where we're filming that uh plays laws over the sea. It's very nice. That's a very nice clock.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

It's a it's a wonderful clock. Uh but but there's a verse. You know, you know. I want to say it's in Deuteronomy where it talks God is talking to Israel and he's addressing them, and he's like, You guys are gonna get this land and you're gonna be like cool warriors, and you're gonna like like it's literally like you're gonna be athletes and you're gonna like conquer the land and be very successful, but then your sons and your son's sons are gonna get fat and lazy and they're gonna disobey God. And it's like that's basically what it is. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like you that's that 250-year span of I didn't fight in World War II, you didn't you weren't go through the Holocaust, like we didn't go through all those hardships, the Civil War, the you know, war to win our freedom from the British. Like, we didn't go through that. And so now that we're at this point, we know nothing but comfort. Yeah. And so now we're we're finding other issues to fight on, like DEI, and it's like, why are we why are we arguing about this? Like we live such comfortable lives, and there's a lot more important things going on, but here we are. There's a great quote about this.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

It's um hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times, and it's this loop. The cycle. Right? That's um it's it's what happens uh all over history. You see that uh uh a group of people pulls themselves up out of and they uh and they create this wonderful society which uh creates uh prosperity. And then the prosperity breathes all of these uh people who don't know how to uh how to keep that, and they make all sorts of mistakes and blunders, and that eventually leads to hard times, and then those hard times loop back into creating strong men.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

You see it everywhere throughout history in the Bible, it's happened to the Israelites, it's what happened to Rome, Rome was very successful, and they just got stretched too thin and got fat and lazy. Just uh yeah, that's a really good quote. The loop.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

I don't know who said it. Um I don't know where it stuck with me when I heard it uh or when I read it maybe a decade ago or something.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

Yeah. But yeah. Anything else for us? And that's it. I think uh yeah, donate if you want to want a pack hat, if you want to help us out. Um put food in our bellies.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

Yeah, no kidding. Just kidding. No, uh none of the money that uh pack makes goes into our wallets, it goes right back into pack. Uh reinvesting. Yep, reinvesting into uh into this thing that we both believe in.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

We've we've talked about it a little bit, but we've put what like four grand, four thousand dollars into this somewhere around there in the ballpark of that. So we want to reimburse ourselves, and then every penny after that is just going right back into it and gonna keep the thing moving. Yep, that's right. So thanks everybody for watching. Uh joining us on this Friday. Hopefully I'm out of sniffles and and sick mode by the next episode. Should I make an AI outro? Yeah just some like like it's so clear. This is just like complete like the Disney Pixar.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Oh my gosh, dude. Uh like veggie tail graphics. Yeah. One thing I I went to a restaurant the other day, um Kino, and on the screens they used to have the you know, the grid of the Kino numbers, and it would pop up with like an animation of like the purple seal like bouncing the ball on its head or whatever, and it would turn into the number or the pitcher throwing the ball and it'd turn into the number. But they've replaced it with AI pictures of these characters, and it made me never want to go back to Kino ever again.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

It's like if they start replacing the like bowling alley, like Strike, you know, like cutter ball, they're replacing those in there. I bet there are we're burning all the bowling alleys. I'll I'll I'll be the first one with a torch out there.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

And it's just so lazy. It is. It's just so lazy. Taking away work from um artists and people who uh make a living off of selling something that they create. Absolutely. So AI bad. AI bad. AI bad. Don't use except for very basic functions. Um don't like make stupid videos of yourself and pay a monthly subscription to grok or whatever, so that you can have your dumb little videos. Um it's it's not worth it. It's killing our water. Yes. And also the environmental impact is pretty severe with all of these data centers. Yeah. Uh that's just another thing to tack onto the list of why AI is bad.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Green. So thanks again for joining us on Friday. And sorry, one last thing.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

I know what our AI outro is gonna be. Oh for Tis. It's gonna be us doing Earth Song, the Earth Song uh music video for Michael Jackson. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Uh just like have you seen those like AI videos though where it's like uh yeah, like the dog on the jetpack, where it's like a normal video, and then like the end they do something like crazy. Yeah, we just like get up off the couch and just start like running. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

I don't know, uh I dunk a basketball on a great white sharp. We just go into like the raptors, just get like raised up out of the great. One thing I don't like about Donald Trump is his The booming video. Well, yes, that was stupid. Um But his his love of AI, I think is it well, he's part of that older generation, right? The boomers that don't get it. You're criticizing the Republican Party, we gotta boycott you, you're out. I should be I should be kicked out of uh uh our free speech group so that you could almost say impeached. Yeah, impeached without any due process. Without any due process. Go ahead and watch episode two for us.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

But you do the outro now because I I I don't know, I don't want to I was about to get up.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

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SPEAKER_01 44:00

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