Dawn's Early Light Podcast Episode 20: Naresh Vissa Interview: COVID 19(84)

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SPEAKER_00 0:08

So we we briefly spoke over the phone yesterday. Um would you mind just kind of giving us a rundown of like who you are um and kind of your passions? Because you you talked to me quite a bit about the the Fauci and COVID situation. So I'd love to just have that rundown again.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Yeah, well, before I get there, just uh a little bit about my background. I'm the founder and CEO of Chris Media and Marketing, and Chris Capital. Chris Capital is uh a real estate investment company, and Chris Media and Marketing is an online and digital media and marketing agency. I've run Chris Media and Marketing for close to 14 years now. I've also hosted my own podcast called the Work from Home Show. Uh hosted that for about five years. It was named by multiple outlets as uh either number one or top three, top five work from home podcasts. I've been working from home full-time since 2013 when I started Christian Media and Marketing. I got into politics in 2020 because of the pandemic, because of the lockdowns and how our society was changing. It was the first political issue that actually affected everybody around the world. It affected how we dressed, the way we wore masks. It affected where we went, who we hung out with. So that's when uh I just started really getting into the nitty-gritty of of politics and um of of that situation, and that turned into me being featured in Bloomberg in 2020, which turned into several podcast interviews, which then turned into regular appearances on Newsmax, which then turned into uh appearances on CNN. Wow. And and then uh now just doing you know podcasts and media whenever people ask me. So I'd I I can talk about an array of topics, not just Fauci and the pandemic and science, but I can talk about uh I sent I sent you a a list of like 25 different topics that I could that I could discuss, but my my expertise is not opinion sharing, it's it's it's basic it's actually like reporting and and policy. Like I I that that's what I really and you'll see as we move forward, everything is based on on facts and policy, and it's not I hate you know Donald Trump because he is an asshole. Like it I or I hate Joe Biden because he's an old man. Like it it's it's for me, it's all about policy and about you know the truth. Really, I think if more people saw the truth, we wouldn't be in in agreement more. Uh so that's what I'm here to spread. Truth is one of my mottos, truth.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

So definitely amazing. So umesh, I I'm very interested to hear um a lot of people, I feel like, get bored with court proceedings and all of these, uh all of the legal kind of swamp that it can be. Would you be able to kind of just give us a rundown on what is happening right now with the investigation into uh Dr. Fauci and how the pandemic was handled?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Well, that's that's actually a very different question from how it affected the question, it is perfectly valid, and and I hate to say it to the Fauci haters out there, but what's happening right now with Fauci really is theater. That that that's what it is at the end of the day. Because do we actually expect this man to end up in in prison? No, he's he's like 85, he's about to turn 86 years old. Uh are they really if if you recall Joe Biden, he was investigated. There was a special prosecutor about three years ago who investigated him for a documents case, and that special prosecutor prosecutor came out and said, I would absolutely charge him with something, but I'm not gonna charge him with something because this is an old man who is in decline. He is mentally in decline, and there were very clear signs of dementia, and his short-term memory was extremely poor just during our interview together. And at the time the media just brush it off. They're like, oh, this guy's partisan, and he and then we found out, you know, a year and a half later or a year later that that guy was actually right. We saw what happened at during the debate. So going back to Fauci, is anything going to happen to him? I my opinion is that nothing will happen to him. Okay, the the Senate held him in contempt. Okay, well, what exactly does that do for anybody? What I think the left, or or not necessarily the left, what I think the right and the Maha, the Make America Healthy Again movement, is trying to do is expose the system. They're trying to convince the public by saying, look, the experts, these scientists, we knew they were wrong six years ago because they did not explain things properly, and they're just making up science. And now, six years later, look at these text messages, look at these phone records, look at these emails, look at this personal diary of what the lead scientist, the man who said he is the science, the man who said anything that he says is what everyone should follow. Look at A, how wrong he was, but B, how he was saying one thing privately and then saying almost an opposite thing publicly. These people cannot be trusted. I think that's the goal here. It's to sway the public and say, these people cannot be trusted. These medical professionals and scientists and whatnot, they cannot be trusted. Not all of them, you know, there are some very good ones out there, but if somebody just says, hey, listen to me because I have this white coat and I have this PhD next to my name, those are the people who you shouldn't trust. You should actually trust the people who explain things properly and who don't turn down media interviews and who have actual scientific backing and research to back up their claims. I think that's what the point is in all this. And I know many people on the right and many people who are anti-lockdowns, or let's just say anti-I hate calling it uh COVID because and and we can get into that later. Because really, we can call it SARS-2, we can call it the Wuhan virus, we can I think we can call it COVID-1984. I think that's a great uh great name for it. The pandemic, the scandemic, those are all valid names for it. Uh COVID, I'll just say it right now. So COVID, it's a Chinese Communist Party that called this code. This is actually called the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. So SARS, if you remember, I don't know if you guys remember, but SARS about 25 years ago uh was the first variant of this, and that was SARS-1. This is actually called SARS 2, or we could call it SARS-2. What happened was it it looks like the Chinese Communist Party because SARS was so was negatively impacted China and the Chinese Communist Party that they were basically able to pay off and sway the public uh through the backdoor. Again, this is a different topic. I can talk about the role of the Chinese Communist Party and how they basically own everything that we consume or everything that we eat or everything that we put into our bodies. We can probably trace most of that back to the Chinese Communist Party, including the things we wear, whether it's Nike socks or uh belts we're wearing or whatnot. So uh they were able to sway countries and say, hey, don't call this SARS. Don't call this and they created this name COVID. There was no term COVID before December 2019. Uh or let's just say 2019. It was simple, it was simply called the coronavirus. That's what it was called the coronavirus. There was no COVID-18 or COVID-7 because the coronavirus was a virus similar in trend to the flu. It was a virus that came out every year since uh human-to-human, it actually started animal-to-animal contact and then animal-to-human contact. And human-to-human contact, it's been around for decades and decades and decades. So we've known about the coronavirus virus for a very long time. What made 2019 different was it mutated from like a common cold to killing people to hospitalizing people. That that was the big change. And no, no scientist, no infection, anyone who's truly studied the science had seen anything like that before. And that's why this lab leak theory came up, because they said there it's like a one in, you know, I don't want to make up a number, but you know, millions and millions chance that something could mutate like that in you know, December 2018, and then all of a sudden in November 2019, this is what it mutated. Like how that's just pretty much statistically impossible. And that was the entire thesis behind this had to have come from a land lab. It had to have been man-made because there's just no way. Imagine the flu. We know how much the flu kills every year. We know the flu can kill anywhere from 70,000 people to, in some cases, 400,000 people every year. We know that. Now imagine if one year the flu all of a sudden kills two million people. Well, I would look at that and say this is there's something off about this. Or not even two million, let's say it went up to like four million or five million. Then I would say, okay, I would probably come up with a theory that someone did something sneaky and and this is how it came. So anyway, going back to your original question on SARS-2 or pandemic, scandemic, COVID-1984, going back to your original question, I don't anticipate uh anything happening to Fauci. Nobody has come out and apologized. Nobody has come out and just said, we're wrong. Like we we were wrong. We were wrong about the six feet social distancing rule because it turns out there is no, there never was any science to back that up. They never, when they did that in March 2020, they never came out and said, hey, look, here's a peer-reviewed medical journal that says that six feet apart from somebody will keep you from getting the virus. They never did that. They just made it up. When they said this thing is ten times deadlier than the flu, they were wrong about that. We now know we have that data. And even at the time, we did have data in March 2020 with a Princess Cruise ship, with Italy, with we can't just trust the Chinese numbers, but we had other countries, and then when New York City became ground zero, or the state of New York became ground zero at the end of March 2020 and April 2020, we had a very good data. We had a very good sample set. We had multiple sample sets showing, showing that this virus, the hospitalization rate, the death rate for healthy individuals under the age of 50, healthy individuals under the age of 50. How do we define healthy? Somebody who has less than three comorbidities under the age of 50. It was statistically rounding down to zero. Statistically rounding down means it is so small, it's like 0.00. Once we get to that level, it statistically rounds down to zero. So there was essentially a zero percent chance of being hospitalized or dying from this virus if you were healthy and under the age of 50. So again, we knew that. And they they didn't want to talk about that data. They didn't want to do it. Uh there's all sorts of data that showed back then. Of course, hindsight, people say, oh, hindsight's 2020. We didn't know. Yes, we did. And I just gave you the examples of the data systems that we did have. And people knew it by the time we entered the summer of 2020. People knew. I was I was 31 at the time. And I was looking at the data and I said, I'm I'm not afraid of this, but I treated my father differently than I treated myself. I told my dad, I said, Hey, you know what? You're you're part of that age bracket. Yeah, you don't have any comor or you don't have you know four comorbidities, but age is a comorbidity. And and that is enough for you to have to be careful. You know, you you probably should lock down, you probably shouldn't be going to social. They never sliced and diced the population. They do that for other things, but they never did it. Here they said everybody needs to lock down, everybody needs to wear masks, everybody needs to get the vaccines, everybody needs to, and that's something that we should definitely talk about, the the vaccines at some point. Um, that's what they did, and because of that, they caused enormous damage and enormous harm that we are still feeling today. People wonder why have why did crime rates skyrocket from 2020 to 2024? Skyrocket crime rates did. Why did homicide sky skyrocket? Why did inflation and affordability today? We are still feeling the inflation and affordability issue today, six and a half years later, because of the decisions that these medical and healthcare professionals made in 2020. Why is that? Because they said they recommended we must shut down, we must lock down, we must create what are what are called essential businesses, where a place like Walmart should be open 24 hours. A place like Costco should be open 24 hours, but your local diner across the street, they need to shut down. Your local grocery store across the street, they need to shut down. And they actually categorized essential business, this is an essential business versus this is not an essential business, right? They destroyed businesses, they destroyed people's livelihood, and in reaction, in response, they said, oh, what we're gonna do because we're killing this economy, we're just gonna print trillions and trillions of dollars and hand it out to people as stimulus checks, as PPP, what they called PPP loans for business owners and for businesses. We're just gonna hand out money. And they handed out trillions upon trillions upon trillions of dollars. And the inflation was in check because we were actually in a deflationary cycle in 2020, because people thought the world was coming to an end. People started saving, they weren't going out, they weren't going on vacations, they weren't buying air. So the money was staying in people's bank account. The savings rate actually went up. So we were in a deflationary cycle. But in 2021, when the Biden administration came in, they went crazy with spending. They went absolutely insane with spending to where inflation started going up, and then they kept spending and kept spending, and then inflation skyrocketed all the way up close to 10%, 10% inflation rate in 2021. And we still, in 2026, have not recovered from that today. We can talk about the Iran war separately. The bottom line is inflation has remained elevated since 2021 because of these recommendations by these medical professionals, these healthcare professionals of locking down, shutting down businesses, creating more than 10% unemployment rates, uh, people struggling financially, crime skyrocketing, uh child abuse skyrocketing, suicide skyrocketing, car accidents, skyrocketing. This is all because of their policies. And anybody could have told you about this, anybody, but they completely, they were completely oblivious because it's almost like the scientific mind cannot think beyond two plus two equals five. That's what that's how they two plus two equals five, that's it. Whereas somebody who can think can tell you that one times two plus two plus one equals five, right? And I say two plus two equals five because they were so wrong. Two plus two does not equal five, but they kept saying two plus two equals five, two plus two equals five, you must social distance, you must take this vaccine, you must, and they were wrong. And this two plus that's why I call it COVID-1984, because that's a reference from the book 1984. Two plus two. They're hitting the main character. What does two plus two equal? And he's saying four, four, and they keep hitting him, trying to get him, trying to brainwash him to say no, it's five, and that's how they brainwashed society in 1984. So it's COVID-1984. So I know that was a very uh that was really more of a lecture on where they were so wrong, how they got it wrong, and I'm free to answer any specific questions you have.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Well, yeah, so you you mentioned the vaccines briefly, and I'd love to dive into that a little bit because that is something that affected me and I think Cooper a little bit too. So when COVID came about, it was my freshman year of high school, and that's when they said, Oh, we're just gonna take a hiatus, like a two-week break from high school, and y'all be back. And then two years later, we're still state.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

What state were you guys in?

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Nebraska. Okay. Yeah, so in Nebraska, we got told, like, hey, you're gonna take like a two-week break of high school, and you know, we're all super excited because we thought we were just gonna escape.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Two weeks to slow the spread, basically, is kind of the motto.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

That whole thing was a joke. The whole that slow the spread, uh, keep our hospitals from being that whole thing was a joke. We we look back at it, it was a joke. If we look back at and even at the time, it was but anyway, I'll let you finish. I'll get to that.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Yeah, but but then to link vaccines into it. So that was, you know, when when COVID came about my freshman year, uh fast forward to I think it was my junior or senior year, I was going through uh EMT school, and towards the end, they told us we were required to get the vaccine. If we didn't get the vaccine, they couldn't pass us. Like we couldn't finish the course unless we got the vaccine or we had a medical or religious exemption. And so I had to go through the crazy process of trying to get a religious exemption. I think it took me like three or four tries, two or three tries, whatever it was, uh, to get religiously exempt from getting a shot. And so I'd like you to to dive into the vaccine a little bit because I think that is just like a that whole thing was insane.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yeah. So let's start with the schools, number one. Like I said, we had data in March 2020 from those sources that I mentioned, Italy, the Princess Cruise ships, and then by April 2020, we had data from Ground Zero, New York City. That was the first place that was hit, which was expected. That was the first place in the US that was hit very hard. I want to preface this by saying, and I did reference this earlier. This was a man-made gain of function virus. That's why it became a novel coronavirus. Okay. We now know that in 2026. There were people saying that in 2020, just using Occam's razor. Uh, you know, the most obvious reason is probably the reason. But we are have a 95% confidence level that this came from a lab. So I want to preface by saying this. This is a real virus. Like this was a real virus, and it did cause harm and destruction to a lot of people. There were a lot of people who died because of COVID-1984 there from the virus. There are a lot of people who got very sick because of this virus. There are a lot of people who were hospitalized. So I want to get that out of the way because I've gone on media before where they wanted me to say, hey, the whole thing is fake. Like the whole, like it's not real. Like COVID is not real. It was just the flu, and then they called it COVID. And no, this thing is for real. And I think anyone who got COVID, especially if they got COVID with symptoms before the vaccine or the vaccines, they can tell you, hey, this thing is for real. Because you know, I've gotten sick many times in my life, and I know what it feels like to get sick. COVID was different. The biggest thing for me, for example, was I couldn't smell or taste for like 10 days. That was the biggest thing for me. And multiple people said that they've never had any virus before where they couldn't taste or smell for that long. So this is this is a real thing. The next thing I want to talk about are the school closures. So you brought up, as an example, your school, you know, shut down for two weeks to stop the spread, and then later on they made you take this vaccine. The people, the school district, your employer, look, they're not, they don't have time to go through all this. This is just how our society works, right? Like nobody has time to go through all this and read these journals and say, oh, you know, Fauci's wrong. They're just told by their higher ups, hey, we are recommending lockdowns, so tell your people to lock down for two weeks. And then they just do it. And and look, that's just again, that's how society works. They just do, okay, you know, my boss's boss's boss said this is what we need to be doing, so this is what we're going to be doing. So I wouldn't blame like your employer or your you know school district or your teachers or your principal or anything like that. Because they're very likely on your side today. Six years later, they're probably on your side. They were just doing as they were told, as most of society does. You have a boss and you do what your boss tells you. Who was making these rules up? It was the CDC, the NIH, the department that Fauci ran. And Fauci was the the head. I mean, Fauci could have literally run as a Democrat in 2020 and he would have probably gotten the nomination. Like he would have been a top two candidate if he all of a sudden was like, okay, let me just throw my hat in and run for pri. That's how popular this guy got. And he He he was treated like a god. People treated him like some type of expert or god. Uh so going to the lockdowns, okay, we knew, or the school closures, we knew that this did not affect healthy people under the age of 50. Healthy people defined as having three or fewer comorbidities under the age of 50. Younger people, younger kids, so in your case, 18 and under, are even healthier than a 45-year-old. It's very likely that a kid who is 15, 16, you know, even two years old, doesn't have any comorbidities. They have zero core morbidities, right? That's very likely. So they locked down the wrong population. That absolutely should not have been done. And their their justification for it was because they knew the data. They knew the data. Their concern was, well, these kids are gonna go to school and they may have COVID, but and and they may not be showing symptoms, but they're gonna go home and they're gonna give it to grandma and grandpa and great-grandma and great-grandpa, and that's what's going to overwhelm our hospitals. That's what their concern was. So I actually didn't have a problem with the initial two-week lockdowns. It was like, okay, this is a test. Let's see how it works out. You can always add two weeks at the end of the school year. So I didn't have a problem with it. But what we saw after those two weeks is that this virus, it was not hitting the whole United States at once. And that's why I said New York became ground zero. It was, it hit certain large density populations first, and then it trickled its way to other states. So Florida, for example, saw its largest surges during the summer when it's so hot outside and people are indoors. But they kept telling us, oh, viruses spread in cold weather. They spread in cold weather. And uh, and so, you know, like like when we were entering the winter of 2020, like October, November, December 2020, they're saying this is gonna be the worst, like it because it's cold weather and viruses thrive in cold weather. In Florida, you can look at the data. I live in Florida. Florida barely had uh any death during those those months. It did, it did have some, but but it was I mean almost negligible. So then to explain the data, they then changed it again. And they said, oh, it's because the Florida winter is not the same winter as you know the rest of the United. The Florida winter where everyone's inside is actually during the summer. It's actually you know, June, July, August. And that's why Florida saw surges in July, August, September, 2021, 2020, and 2021. So going back to the school closures, the governor of Florida, he's a thinker, and that's the thing. You have to be a thinker. You have to, you can't just have some boss tell you, hey, you must do this, this, and this, and okay, yeah, I'm gonna do it. He's a thinker and he saw that he noticed this quickly and said, our most vulnerable times are actually during the heat, the summer. So in 2020 and in 2021, when Florida was surging, so in 2020, he said, we're opening up our schools, and we're, you know, August regular date, August of 2020, he said we're opening them back up because this does not affect children. Children are fine, they are not being he laid it out very clearly. And when people questioned him about, well, how about their parents? He said, This is not affecting their parents either. If you're a 15-year-old year old child, your parents, you know, 45 years old and they got like fewer than. And he said, Look, if you live in a household where if someone lives in your household who does have who is sick, then by all means, you don't need to go to school. You can stay home and be home. Like people had that choice. Nobody was forcing anyone to go to school. If parents were so upset, you know, and well, they didn't have to send their kids to school. And in 2021, that's where he really made a name for himself because Florida was surging in cases and hospitalizations and death in July and August of 2021. It was surging. And they were about to open up school in mid to late August, and they said, You guys are surging right now. Like you're gonna, you're gonna destroy your state, everyone's gonna die, everyone's gonna, you know, all these kids are gonna die, all the teachers are gonna die, everything's and he knew the data. He knew, okay, look, the way this thing works is you go through a surge, and then the cases plummet. And that's what happened. It's almost like this virus came in. This this happened in every state. The virus came in, it did its thing, it infected people, it built immunity, it built natural immunity, it did hospitalize people, it did kill people, and then it's almost like when you came out of it, everything you built the immunity, and the really unhealthy people, they passed, and what was left was a healthier population. And what happened in Florida was the cases, the death, the hospitalization, everything went plummeted in September. The experts were wrong. They were saying Florida is gonna be a death, you know, a funeral home. And no, you look at the data, it plummeted because it peaked in late July and then early August, it peaked, and in September, it plummeted. And then in October, by the end of October, the uh the pandemic was basically gone from Florida. So I wanted to talk about this school stuff because it's very important. This this is more nuanced and more complex than people think. If somebody came to me and said, my kid has, you know, is is a cancer patient, you know, a five-year-old cancer patient, and I don't like that the governor is opening up schools. Well, look, you don't have to like the governor, but we cannot bend the knee. Public policy is not based on bending the knee to a small fringe minority of people. It's not. It's that's just not how public policy decisions are made. Because if public policy decisions were made based on that, we wouldn't even be driving today. Every year we know that there are going to be 35 to 40,000 people who die in car accidents. We know that as a fact. You can pick any date from 2010 to today, and you will see every year there have been at least 35,000 car accidents or 35,000 deaths from car accidents. We know that as a fact. So a scientist who is extremely caring and empathetic and whatnot, they, you know, what if you share this with them, many of them would say, okay, we should ban cars. That's 35,000 lives that we would say, but we do not do that. We do not make public policy decisions based on that number. We accept, we have accepted, our public policy people, but many long time ago, they accepted the fact that, okay, there will be people who die on plane crashes, there will be people who die in boating accidents, there will be people who die crossing the street, there will be people who die in car accidents, but we're not going to ban these things. We're not going to mandate, set mandate saying you cannot drive anymore because these people are going to die. Instead, they look at it as hey, is the benefit of banning this worth it? Is the benefit worth it? Is that, you know, those 10 kids who might have a ton of comorbidities, is it worth it to shut down all the schools? And the answer is no, because we have the car accidents as an example. We know exactly how many people are going to die every year. Because the benefit of kids going to school, of the greater, you know, 99% of the population going to school, that's a far greater benefit than locking down. The benefit of getting in your car and driving somewhere is far greater than the con of having to walk somewhere. You want to drive somewhere that's 10 miles away, you're there in 15 minutes, 20 minutes. You got to walk there, it's going to take you 10 days, right? So they understand that. And that's part of the risk-benefit analysis that people have to run. So that's what I wanted to say about the school closures now, going to the vaccine, because this is really the problem that people who don't think they think that there is just black or white. Okay. So I'm going to explain this is way more nuanced. This is way more nuanced than people think on the surface. So the first thing when people say I didn't get the vaccine, that's wrong. Because there were three different vaccines, and all three of them were different. One was very, almost completely different from the other two. The three vaccines were the JJ, adenovirus vaccine, and adenovirus vaccine, these are the vaccines that the little babies get when they're you know born, when they're one year old, two years old. These are the vaccines that most of the population has already put into their body and that they have good responses to. Okay? That's the J and J vaccine. Then there were two new inventions called the mRNA vaccines. Pfizer and Moderna were the two contracted companies to release the mRNA vaccines. So again, these are different vaccines. The JJ is a denovirus, and you have two mRNA vaccines. Now, let me tell you the difference between Pfizer and Moderna. Moderna was a newer, non, in fact, most people had never heard of Moderna until the pandemic. Pfizer has been around forever. It became huge because of Prozac in the 90s and uh because of statins. And everyone, I think most people know Pfizer. Most people have taken a Pfizer product, but Moderna was relatively new. And their stock ticker symbol, their claim to fame, was the mRNA technology. Their stock tipper ticker symbol is mRNA. Now, breaking down each vaccine, what ended up happening was the experts, you know, I even went to a pharmacy when I went to uh ask some of the pharmacists about the vaccines. I said, What vaccines uh do you offer for for the pandemic? And they said, We only offer the JJ and the Moderna vaccine. We don't offer the Pfizer one. So they contracted out to different, you know, like CVS pharmacy would contract out with Pfizer, for example. And you know, Walgreens would contract out to like JJ and some other uh and you know, Pfizer or Moderna. So they they built up these contracts. And what we learned, we didn't know this when the vaccines came out. All we knew was the experts said, oh, these vaccines are safe, and you take the vaccine and you move on with life. Take off your mask, and you're not gonna get COVID and you're not gonna get sick, and you move on with life. Within three months, we quickly realized they were wrong again. Here's why. The vaccine was developed for the initial Wuhan strain. That strain that came out of the lab. The vaccine, when it was rolled out in December 2020, was created for that strain. By the time the vaccine was rolled out, that China strain had mutated. And this is where you probably heard of different variants: the South African variant, the Brazilian variant, the Peruvian variant, the Indian variant. So the second most popular variant was called the Delta variant. So initially they used to call the variants based on where they came from, but then they said this is very racist, so we must change it to alpha variant, beta variant, delta variant, gamma variant, which made it super confusing. That's why I called it the I'm Indian and I called it the Indian variant the whole time. And that was that was uh quite destructive. So by the time these variant these new variants came out, the vaccine they had developed was not completely effective on these new variants. Now, notice I said not completely effective. So there are some vaccines that you get, for example. You get uh a measles vaccine for or let's just say some of these you know, protussis vaccines or MMR vaccines, or you get some of these vaccines, the polio vaccine. You will not get polio. You get uh, you know, the MMR, the measles vaccine, but right now we have a measles outbreak, and the number of people who got all their required measles vaccines, they're not getting measles. The people getting measles are people who did not complete the full dose of the measles vaccine or they didn't get the vaccine at all. And that's why we're seeing this outbreak. It happened in Mennonite communities in rural areas or very religious places. So that's a point that I'm making. This was not a vaccine. This COVID shot was not, it was a shot. That's what it was. It was not a vaccine because by the time it was rolled out, the China variant was gone and these new variants had come in. So the vaccine was not completely effective. It became what's called a leaky vaccine. It was still effective on a scale of one to a hundred, it still had effectiveness. If you got vaccinated, there was a greater chance that you would not be hospitalized. There was a greater chance that you would not die. It did provide some level of protection, and that's where I'm saying uh the anti-vaxxers, they're wrong when they say this thing is just uh, you know, it's just an injection to follow it's like injecting cameras in us and following us. That's just that that's just not true. This vaccine, it's a great innovation, and it did help the world overcome and move forward from the, especially the older, like I said, four plus comorbidity, that population, it helped them tremendously. Okay. So let me break down the difference between the three types of vaccines here in the US, because there was another one overseas called AstraZeneca. But let me break down the three here and then talk about um, yeah, let's first, let's first start with that. Okay. So the it turns out there was again, we didn't know this, and they didn't know this, and they should have said they didn't know this, because they said, Oh, yeah, just take any vaccine. Just go get a vaccine, you know, just just do what find your nearest place and just get a vaccine. Just get anything. By the time it was my turn, because the way they rolled out this vaccine, it was healthcare workers, uh the you know, the important, I forgot what they called it. It was like first responders, healthcare workers, uh I think that they were also called essential workers. They could get it first. And if you remember, they would get it, they would you know post on TikTok and Instagram and show how cool they were, that they're so access to this vaccine. So they did that first. Then it was the vulnerable, so people above the age of 70, then it went down by age, people above the age of 65, then above at the age of 60, people with comorbidities. Then it was for me, a guy who was 31 years old. Well, by that point, I was 32, didn't have any. I was I was a healthy 32-year-old. I was last, I was dead last, and I said, good, I want to be last because when it's my turn to take it, my prediction was this thing's gonna be gone. COVID's gonna be gone. I don't even need to take it. So when it was my turn to take it in May 2021, COVID was gone from the United States. By early July, late June, early July 2021, there were magazines. I think it was Us Weekly, Entertainment Uh Tonight, or Weekly or one of the publications said, you know, the pandemic pandemic's over. Like it's gone. We came out of this. We're vaccines out, it's done. We're we're so I thought, okay, I didn't have to do it, but I still started following these vaccines. And what I found was the Moderna vaccine was actually uh discontinued for people under the age of 30 in most of the EU, in most of the Nordic countries, Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and you can look up. They didn't want to use the word banned because that word has a it scares people, but it was essentially banned. You can type in right now Moderna vaccine, Iceland, bam, and you can see that it was essentially banned. Not just for people under the age of 30, but they recommended even those above 30, hey, you know what, you should take this AstraZeneca vaccine instead or this Pfizer vaccine instead. So the PR around Moderna was so bad. So I saw that and I said, hmm, why are these countries in Europe essentially banning the Moderna vaccine, but here in the US it's still around? So I basically crossed that off from my list. And I said, I I told my parents, I said, do not, it was too late. Because my parents followed the doctor, which the doctor said, just get any vaccine. And they didn't do any research, they didn't do anything. It was just get a vaccine, just get something in your body. So I crossed that out. I said, if it comes time for me, if this virus comes back, then I know I'm not gonna get that Moderna vaccine. Then I started looking into the Pfizer vaccine and the mRNA technology. And I said, look, this is a new innovative. I'm one of those people for any you know new iPhone or new autonomous vehicle. I'm one of those people who said, look, I'll let the other people do it first. I'll let them get it first, and then if all's well, then I'll get it. So already I was on a fan of this mRNA, and on top of that, I started looking into where these vaccines were manufactured, and it turns out the Pfizer vaccine was manufactured in China, and that Pfizer had a deal with the Chinese Communist Party. So I was already thinking this vaccine was a Chinese or this virus was a Chinese Communist Party virus that originated in China in their government-funded Wuhan lab. So I'm thinking, why would I get a vaccine? Why would I get the if if they created this, why would I get a treatment that was also created in the same place, you know, a few miles away from where this virus was released accidentally, obviously. Um, so I would ask, you know, these pharmacists, because I remember going to the pharmacy one day, just for my own information, like, hey, you know, what do you think? Which vaccine should I get? And I had already made up my mind, I'm getting the J and J adentivirus vaccine. And the pharmacist, almost every pharmacist, every doctor said, don't get the J and J. It's weak. It's it's a weak vaccine. You want to get the Moderna or the Pfizer. And that then told me, okay, I'm getting the J and J because already I'm at zero. I remember I said statistically rounds down to zero. I'm at zero risk of hospitalization, I'm at zero risk of death. So if I need to get a vaccine, the J and J is the one that I'm gonna get. So what ended up happening, I told you that was May when I was eligible, May 2021. In mid-July 2021, I saw that this thing was coming back to the US and Florida became ground zero, was about to become ground zero because of the Florida winter that I mentioned. So that was the first time, you know. I I lost sleep one night. And that's when I lose sleep over anything, that's when it's time to make a change. So I said, all right, let's go get this J and J vaccine. I got the J and J vaccine, it was only one dose. And then mentally I was like, okay, I'm good. I can go out, I can go. And I had that back, that's the other thing. They had these vaccine cards that you needed to attend some events and go to some places. So I got my vaccine card, and that was another, I was being pressured because there were events that I was at that I was invited to, and they explicitly said in the invitation, uh, must show proof of vaccination. And I was not vaccinated, and I didn't go to some of these events, and I was like, damn, like they're really taking this, even in Florida. Like, people are doing this, companies are doing this. So by that point, though, I felt like I was comfortable enough and I had enough data and I had enough knowledge to know, okay, the J and J is the vaccine to get for someone of my of my type. And the J and J was effective. Now that was discontinued, J and J was losing all sorts of money with that vaccine, and they never came out with a booster, they just stopped development of it because they had some issues, some bad PR when it was rolled out and whatnot. But anyway, that's it, that's a different scenario. So my point here is when people say the vaccine, that's a very broad, vague term because there were three different vaccines, and to me, uh, at least back then, it only made sense to get the J and J vaccine if you were going to get vaccinated at all. I know a lot of people my age who just opted not to get vaccinated. I know a lot of people my age who got fake vaccine cards. They lived in California, New York, whatnot. And there was a whole new underground market was built where people were just getting fake vaccine cards. Um, so that that's what I have to say about the vaccines.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Yeah, that's good. Uh, because that was a that's obvious obviously a major political talking point right now is were the vaccines good or was it just all a hoax where they're trying to inject cameras into your bloodstream and whatnot. So I'm glad you brought that up because that's that's pretty funny. Uh so something that we had talked about also briefly over the phone was was. The concept of I feel personally that COVID is what brought about a lot of uh major political divide. The idea that if you were on the left, you saw the right as killing people, you know, because or if you got the vaccine, you saw the anti-vaxxers or the people that weren't getting the vaccine as like murderers. And then if you were on the side of we think COVID's a hoax, or maybe you're an anti-vaxxer, or you don't want to get every single booster that you just think the people on the other side are kind of dumb. You're like, well, this is like a stupid argument to even be having. And so I wanted kind of your opinion on that.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

Well, we we certainly saw a great political divide because during that time period, media was the big winner, whether it was social media or the mainstream news media, they were the big winner and they made lots and lots of money by sewing division. And that's all they did. And they admitted it. You know, Mark Zuckerberg and Faye, they admitted it. They said we change our algorithm to essentially divide people more. We also change our algorithm because we were told by Fauci and all these people that we had to promote pro-vaccine stuff and anti-lab leak theory stuff, and that's what we were told. That's what the experts told us. And then he came out in 2024 and said, I made a mistake, I'm never gonna do that again, and we're never gonna fall victim to that again. You know, we're free speech platforms, whatnot. And a lot of these medical disagreements could have come to the forefront. The way science works is you believe one thing, Cooper, I believe another thing. Okay, we share different beliefs. Let's test the let's you have your hypothesis, I have my hypothesis, let's now run an experiment and let's test it and then let's find scientific method. And exactly the scientific method. That's what the scientific method is. There was no scientific method during this time. It was you must mask up, and you cannot you cannot post stuff on social media, you cannot tell anyone not to mask up. It was you must take you know this vaccine, being very vague about the vaccine, and just shut up and do what you're told. They completely silenced. I mean, I got suspended from Facebook for posting something uh about the lab leak theory. And basically, what I told you guys, that's what I posted, very academic based. And they suspended my my account for I know so many people who were de-platformed, they lost their YouTube accounts, their Instagram accounts. I mean, President Trump lost his accounts. The freaking president of the United States lost his social media accounts because of this nonsense. So, as far as the division goes and how absolutely people became even more tribalist as a result of this, but let's dig into that tribalism because you said that people on the left were saying, oh, the people on the right are are killing everyone. They're killing everyone, they are murderers, they're just walking around killing everyone left and right. And the people on the right were saying, This is not a real virus. This this is a f this is fake. This is all just a concoction, it's not real. And I'm here to say, number one, I've already broken out, this was real. This was absolutely real, and it was novel. Okay, this was not a flu, this was a real novel coronavirus. That's what it was. However, the actual policy, the actual cultural changes were based on what was coming from the left. What was coming from the left was these people are just gonna kill everyone. They are uh the popular thing was you know, you get vaccinated not for yourself, but for your community. You do it for your community, you do it. And no, no, you get vaccinated for yourself. You are responsible for your own health, not your doctor. You and your doctor, yes, but not Fauci, not the president, not the RFK or director of health and human. You are responsible for your health. And we know, like I said, if you got vaccinated, move on with life. They were right when they said you can move on with life. They were wrong when they said you can take off your mask and you won't get COVID. But if you get vaccinated, pretty much a hundred percent chance that you will not end up in the hospital, 100% chance that you will not die. If you have five plus comorbidities, you get vaccinated, very high likelihood that you will not end up in the hospital. Again, there are examples of people who are basically in a nursing home. Why do you go to it? People don't go to nursing homes for fun. People are put in nursing homes, people are put in nursing homes because it is too difficult to take care of them at their own house. Why is it too difficult? Because they have reached a point in their life where they have way more than four comorbidities. They have memory issues, they have back issues, they have arthritic issues, they have urological issues, they have, of course, the heart disease issues, the diabetes. I mean, they have all sorts of issues, okay? All sorts of issues. That's why people end up in nursing homes. All right. So going back to the whole tribalism thing, the people on the left made it seem like everyone was dying left and right. That, you know, everyone's dying around me, their dead bodies on the No. Look at the data and the statistics. The death rate, today we can say that the death rate of this virus was less than 0.4%. Not the death rate. The death rate was actually lower than that. But the number of people who died was less than 0.4% of the total US population. We're not eating that's that's six years later. That's six years later. Okay, if we take those two years alone, 2020 and 2021, okay, those were the two worst years. 2020 and 2021, we did not even reach 0.2%. The death rate of this virus was negligible. It's statistically, if if somebody averages in in basketball 31.02 points per game, we don't say they average 31.0, we just say they average 31 points a game. Not 31.2, 31.02. Somebody averages uh anyway, that that's the example that I'm giving. So the the death rate of the, and then now we have to slice even more again, healthy people under the age of 50. Statistically zero. Statistically zero. We found out, we knew by 2021 that four four comorbidity, even ages counts as a comorbidity. Okay, for comorbidities puts you at risk. We knew that in 2021. But you had people on the left who were running around saying everyone's dying left and right, and the answer is no, everyone is not dying left and right. So they are wrong when they say that. And there were way more people on the left saying that than on the right saying that, oh, this is just a fake virus, this is not real. That was a very small, fringe, loony minority, tiny little minority, but it's almost like everyone on the left was saying we must mask up, we must take as much vaccine as possible, everyone's dying left and right. And and I've asked many of my friends on the left, do you even know a single person who legitimately got COVID and died? Or who legitimately got COVID and was hospitalized? Legitimately hospitalized. Do you know anybody? And I got the occasion, oh yeah, I know one person. You know one person, and here you are telling everyone, everyone was dying left and right. And that's what they were saying. Every all the kids are gonna die at school. No, that didn't again, 0% hospitalization rate, 0% death rate among children, healthy children, healthy children. The vaccine going back to the vaccine, the vaccine actually was more detrimental. You so going back to your employer, the vaccine was more detrimental for healthy people under the age of 50 than it was than getting the virus, than getting COVID. It actually was more because it turns out it was just it turned into a cold for kids or a fever for a day or a day or two, or it was asymptomatic. Remember, a lot of people got this virus and they were asymptomatic. They didn't even know that they got COVID. They got tested for antibodies and they had antibodies to it. And that's the other thing with this vaccine. Instead of forcing a vaccine mandate, what I was saying from day one was they should have done it a show antibodies mandate. So I got antibody tested many times. All you had to do was go, you know, for a blood test, and they could see if you had antibodies, that means you got COVID. And so many young people had antibodies to COVID, and they said, I never got COVID. Well, it turns out that they did, they were just asymptomatic. And instead of forcing people to get a vaccine, you could have had young people show antibodies. Forget about young people, you could have had older people show antibodies and then they don't need to get the vaccine. And young people, again, healthy young people did not need the vaccine because there is re there was research in 2021, and I can share that research with you. There is research that showed that the harm that the vaccine caused was greater than getting COVID 1984. It caused pericarditis, it caused myocarditis, it caused vaccine injuries, it caused, especially in men, even more so than women. And I know women who had complications from COVID from the COVID vaccine as well. Especially the Moderna vaccine, which I've already mentioned. I know, I know that for a fact. So looking back again, I have two young kids at the time. I had one kid, and my wife, who by the way is a physician, is a doctor, we were in agreement. Like, hey, we're not giving them the COVID vaccine. And I know people who did. I know parents who masked up their one-year-old child, their two-year-old children. They massed up, double massed their child, and then they came back. I know parents, I saw them, you know, a few a few months later, and and they were like, you know, for some reason my kid's not talking. Like my kid's not, he's behind in speech. And talking, and I'm just thinking to myself, I mean, these were like doctors. And I'm like, you created the problem. You massed up your two-year-old. And you masked yourself, and they they massed up themselves. So if they're talking to their two-year-old with a double mask, they're not enunciating properly, they're not dictating properly. And how do you think that's gonna rub off on the kid? And now you're making the kid do the same. You know, uh gingivitis, various dental uh diseases, cavities skyrocketed because these masks, I called them face diapers. They're they're filthy. These things are filthy. You know, one day I went to uh a clinic and they wouldn't let me in because I didn't have a mask. So I had to literally walk around. That's the other thing. You could find masks just lying around. They were all over the place. I had to just grab a mask just so I could, you know, go for my appointment. This thing was filthy. I can't believe somebody wore it. And that's what people were doing. They were wearing these filthy face diapers. You think that's good for you? Wearing filth on your face, on your nose, and on your mouth? And you think that's good for you? And that's why dentists even said there's research that backs it up. They saw an increase in cavities and gingivitis and other uh periodontal diseases because of these masks. So again, the doctors, the the healthcare experts didn't even think about the medical professors didn't even think about the harm that these masks can cause to adults and to kids, to children. So, yes, people joined their tribe and they weren't willing to listen to the other other side. And even today, I see it today, and I see people on the radical left, and they'd still think Fauci's a god and he's amazing. I'm like, for what? And then they wonder how the heck did we get RFK into power? How the heck did this guy come into power? And I'm like, you people, like listen to this podcast episode. This is how he came to power. Because you experts were wrong about everything. You were wrong, and you caused so much damage and so much harm. I already laid it out, the affordability, the inflation that we still feel today, the crime, the insane crime that we saw from 2020 to 2024. And and the worst part, I think that really the dumbest thing that they did, talking about tribalism and political divide, is when George Floyd died, the experts came out and they wrote a letter and they said, hey, you know what? You guys you can actually get out of your house and go uh protest because white supremacy is a bigger problem than this virus. White supremacy is a racism, is a systemic racism is is a much bigger issue. It's something this virus is gonna be gone someday, but systemic racism and white supremacy will not. And they were encouraging people to, and and what do you think when you lock down people for four or five months, okay, and they're just so hungry to do something, they want to get the hell out of their house, what do you think is gonna happen? And we saw what happened. Nearly $2 billion worth of damage. Hundreds of people dead from the BL dead from the BLM riots. Hundreds of people assaulted, hospitalized from the BLM riots. Tens of police officers dead from the BLM riots. Businesses, like I said, nearly two billion dollars worth of damage. Not 2 million, not 200 million, $2 billion. We've see we saw suburbs burnt to the ground, cities burnt to the ground, entire neighborhoods destroyed. It was a complete joke. They weren't protesting systemic racism. It was Fauci and it was these medical professionals. You can look it up yourself. If you type in a medical petition for George Floyd protests, and you can see they all said it went around every major medical academic institution out there for people to sign their name. Thousands of doctors all around the country signed it saying systemic racism, this, white supremacy, that, yeah, let's get, let's get, you can go out. But only for this, you cannot go out when it comes to voting in the election. No, no, you cannot go out. You cannot go out and vote. You need to do mail-in ballots, you need to, you know, that's too dangerous. When it comes to Trump rallies, no, Trump rallies are dangerous. It's their super spreaders are gonna die. And by the way, they're wrong again because it turned we knew even back then COVID-1984 is an airborne virus. It's an airborne virus, just like many viruses are airborne. The surface contact nonsense is all wrong. Scientifically proven, one in 10,000 chance that you can get COVID-1984 from Sar. You remember back then they said, Oh, get your hand sanitizer and wipe down chairs and wipe down the doorknobs. And it turns out that's not how COVID was transferred. I could literally cough in my hand, I could have COVID, cough in my hand, walk to a door. Takes me five seconds to walk to the door, put my hand on it, the virus is dead. It's dead, it cannot be transmitted. This is an airborne virus when people are talking with each other in front of each other, or let's just say sexually active with each other, and airborne particles through the nose, the fair, the the mouth. That's how you get COVID. When you are outside, the chances dwindle near zero of getting this virus. And these doctors were saying, Oh, don't go outside. You can't go to the in Florida, you can't go to the beach. The kids can't play on the playground because of COVID. Surface contact, they were completely wrong. You cannot get the virus through that. They never communicated it properly. They never admitted that they were wrong about these things. They never admitted it. And with those George Floyd riots, it turns out people didn't get COVID. Instead, we got way more, we got way bigger issues with looting, burning, plundering, shooting each other, killing each other, pumping on each other's heads, uh breaking into retail stores, malls. I mean, it was insane. All over the country. This was not isolated to one little every major city in this country, including where I live in Tampa, Florida, had just riots. They were riots. And who encouraged these riots? It was the healthcare, it was a medical professional coming out with that letter, saying you get it is okay to go out and and and protest. And here we are six and a half years later. Nothing has changed. Nothing. Those communities, nothing has changed. Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

Yeah, I think you know, you hit the nail on the head with just about everything here. Umresh, out of respect for your time, um, is there anything that you would like to uh to say to to close for today?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Well, before I close, I want to add, do you guys have any pressing questions that that you want to ask me or any la, you know, I'm sure you're thinking about I could quickly go over some other things if you had anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:12

Yeah, yeah. I guess the I would the the question that I want to ask you is what do you think our society's biggest takeaway from the whole pandemic scandemic should be?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

I think that's a really great question to to to wrap this up. Because if COVID-19 hit today in 2026, COVID-26, we absolutely we are we are living in a different time today than we were in February 2020. Now the big game changer is artificial intelligence because at their fingertips, people can fact check their president, their human health and human services secretary, their their doctor, their their physician, Fauci, they can fact check like that. We did not have that in 2020. We did not. And artificial intelligence is a huge, huge game changer because now we can hold those people accountable. If this were to happen again today, we can say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. You're telling us that we need to be six feet away from somebody. My AI is saying that there is no research to back that up. So you either provide the research or sorry, we're not doing it. You're telling us to take this Moderna vaccine that's banned in Iceland and Switzerland and Sweden and Finland and all these countries. My AI is saying it's banned in these countries, take the J and J vaccine instead. You know? We have that today. And AI has come in and changed. I mean, I use it in my business, it has come in and changed the world already. We did not have that. And AI, the the innovation around AI accelerated during the pandemic because a lot of these AI entrepreneurs were libertarian who were like, hey, I don't agree with it. We need to really accelerate this stuff. And that's why in 2023, when the pandemic was declared basically done, AI, ChatGPT went viral and people started downloading it and using it. That was three and a half years ago when ChatGPT became mainstream. So the big takeaway is number one, AI is the future of our life. It is the future of medicine, it is the future of science. AI can do all sorts of stuff. And there are specific AI apps, for example, like Claude for healthcare and um open evidence. These are specifically AI platforms that like now at least 60, 70% of healthcare professionals, doctors, scientists are using in their work. So I think that's great. I think AI is great, and we're gonna be better equipped to handle this pandemic, not because of the CDC or the NIH or the WHO or any of the, but because of AI. We're gonna be able to quickly get more accurate data and make more accurate decisions. So that's a that's a really big game changer. The other takeaway is that the most popular, the most popular topic in in major medical journals over the last four years has been the distrust of the healthcare and medical industries, healthcare, medical, pharmaceutical industries. And it's why is there so much distrust? We're at levels that we've never seen before. And the reason is because number one, there was already distrust prior to the pandemic. Why was there distrust prior to the pandemic? Because it's a very broken system. Just to get an appointment to see a primary care physician anywhere in the country, it's gonna take you three months. And if you don't have insurance, it makes things even harder. Then about pricing, you know, you've got if you don't have insurance, you're charged a lower rate than if you do have insurance, you're charged some insane rate. And the whole system, everyone's in bed with each other, the whole system is broken. And then the actual healthcare medical professionals, they're essentially paid and they don't even know it. They're paid to push certain vaccines and certain medications and certain procedures. And a lot of these people don't even know it because they're brainwashed into thinking this is the only way to treat it, this is the only way to solve it. And they're not even shown the other treatments or options that there are. So the other takeaway, there's AI, and then there's okay, there's so much distrust in the system, and it's because of what was happening before the pandemic, and then when the pandemic happened and it affected our children, it affected crime rates, it affected affordability, it affected us being able to go to the beach and our children to be able to play on the playground. It affected everything, and people got fed up. People your age got fed up in 2024. They went out and voted in Trump for for Trump, which in my lifetime that that had not happened. A younger demographic came out and voted Republican. And a major reason was because they couldn't go to prom. They were paying all this tuition money for college, and they had to sit behind a computer to learn. And they couldn't network, they couldn't party, they couldn't get girlfriends, boyfriends, they couldn't do so many things because of these dumb rules that were not applicable to them. They were not applicable to them at all. And they say, you know what, I had enough. I'm fed up and I'm going out and I'm voting Republican. And on top of that, that's where we saw the rise of RFK Jr. He was just uh he was not a celebrity before the pandemic. He became a celebrity during the pandemic. And that's why he's a health and human services secretary today. Because of this distrust. And how do you fix trust? You fix trust by holding yourself accountable, saying, I'm sorry, I made a mistake. I should not have done this, this, and this. I'm gonna try better next time. I made a mistake. That's part of it. The next part of it is actually performing. They did not perform. And we've seen the changes in the healthcare space. The people, they're so distrustful. These vaccines are now a huge issue. RFK is now in charge. Uh and you're seeing that people like you can look it up, you know, there are countless doctors who have been shot and killed by patients because a doctor screwed up. Look up, there's a case in Oklahoma. I I do some real estate investments in Oklahoma. I have some partners there, and and there's a doctor there who did um a treat a patient for a back issue, a surgery was done, and he he screwed up the patient even more. And the patient basically had nowhere to go. And what did he do? He went into the clinic and shot the doc doctor dead, as well as a few other people. In Danderville University, Tennessee, the patients are so fed up with this horrible, horrible healthcare system that we have. For spending so we've spent more money than any other country in the world on healthcare. We don't even have socialized healthcare, and we spend more money than any other sick country. And these doctors, these healthcare providers, they do not talk about preventative care. They do not talk about sick. It's really a sick care system. It is not a system that treats healthy people. It is not a system that keeps people healthy. It is a system that waits for you to get sick and it treats sick people. I have a lot of doctors in my family. I know a lot of doctors, and I do preventative care, and they say you can't, you shouldn't be doing that. You're taking away spots from people who need the care. And I say, no, we need to become a health care system, not a sick care system. We need to maintain our health. Just like we take our car to get service every six months, we do an oil change every, we need to do the same thing with ourselves. And they just can't handle it. They can't, it's not that they don't like me. It's just they'd be overrun with with patients. This is a sick care system, and they need to do better because right now, when it comes to uh suicide rates, suicide attempt rates, uh, all this transgender stuff and hormone replacement therapy, and I mean the the uh the pill pushing, the uh the concentration, the uh per the number of people on SSRIs, the mental health issue, we are literally number one for first world countries. We're literally number one when it comes to the rate of heart disease, when it comes to the rate of diabetes and pre-diabetes and cancer. We're literally number I'm not comparing us to in fact, some of these other third world countries, they got other diseases that we've eradicated, they're dealing with those issues. But when it comes to you know, cancer and and and heart disease, we've got higher rates than even them. During the pandemic, there were countries in Africa, there were shanties in India where COVID came in, it didn't affect their population at all. COVID came in and they didn't even know that they got it. It's almost like they they had they already had predisposed immunity to it. But here in the US, we're so sick here. We're so unhealthy here. And it's because of these the solution has again, it's a sick care system where the medical professionals have not focused on the preventative stuff. They have not focused on what we put into our body, on the stuff that we eat, on the stuff that we drink, on the exercise. Instead, they're so bogged down with we need to, we need to fix, you know, the 80-year-old who's coming in with their heart disease issue or with their diabetes issue or with their Alzheimer's issue or whatnot. That's why there is such a high level of distrust and there's continuing distrust. How you build the trust is you do a better. So I brought out well, going back to Vanderbilt, I brought up Vanderbilt. This became a famous case because there was a nurse who uh gave the wrong medication to a patient. She gave a medication that sounded like the medication that the patient was gonna get, but it was the wrong medication. The patient died. And Vanderbilt did that Vanderbilt fired her, and and you know, they did the right thing. They fired her and they said, You can't work here anymore. And uh they even forwarded it to the state, but the patients have gotten so upset that they're now coming back and taking vengeance. And the patients went to the state and said, anybody, we don't care if this, if it's this nurse practitioner or nurse, or this doctor, anybody who makes a mistake, they need to pay for it. And I think that's a good thing because we need to hold them accountable. And the state came back, even though Vanderbilt did everything right, the state came back, fined Vanderbilt an insane amount of money. They uh her medical license or her nursing license or whatever had already been stripped, but they prosecuted her and put her in prison. I think she had to go to uh she ended up going to jail, I think, for like a year or two and she's out. But that's the type of accountability that uh everybody, everybody should should be under because the industry has gotten away for too long with making mistakes and errors. Johns Hopkins estimates that medical errors actually, so the the uh FDA recalling drugs or coming out with drugs that were that should be recalled. The FDA, the medical profession, the medical error, medical negligence, you know, you come, you put all that together, that would be the third leading cause of that. You can look it up. Johns Hopkins, third leading cause of death. Uh that would be the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and diabetes or heart disease and cancer. Anyway, that would be the third leading cause of death in the United States. We need to hold, we need to improve, and I'm really glad AI is here to create that improvement. But uh the Vanderbilt's another example of where patients are fighting back. The most extreme case, I mean, I brought up an extreme case in Oklahoma, but the most extreme case is what happened to the CEO of United Health. The CEO of United Health was just shot in broad daylight on a weekday morning. He exited his hotel and he was shot by Luigi Mangioni. And in Luigi Mangioni's manifesto, he laid it all out. Basically, what I've been saying. He laid it all out. And he's become a hero. I don't agree with Luigi Mangioni. I don't think that's a way that you fight back. I don't I think that I mean that's obviously illegal. But this guy is a I know people personally who like look up to Luigi Mangian, men and women. They think he's he's God's son. He's they think he's a son of God and that he's a martyr. Again, why did he do that? We know he's my he's his family said they were estranged from him for a year or two and he he's been mentally off, he's been on medication and all that. But why did he do that at the end of the day? It's because of this distrust of the healthcare system. And instead, the people in the system, instead of saying, hey, we can do better, we should do better, we should try harder, we should cut down on our mistakes, we should, we should have done a better job during the instead again, and I see it again and again, they put on their white coat and they say, I'm the expert. And that's the big chasm that we have right now, and that's a big takeaway. That that that's a big takeaway from the pandemic because we're gonna continue to see this, we're gonna continue to, you know, uh after uh around 2022, 2023, the um uh malpractice lawsuits went up because of that. Because now people just go into a doctor, they're forced to go into a doctor, and they automatically just distrust them. And anything wrong that happens, they're ready to sue. They're ready to write terrible reviews online, they're ready to you know take them to small claims or whatnot. That was not the culture before the pandemic. So these are the big takeaways. I'm very, very, very optimistic because of AI. I think AI is incredible. I use it for my own diagnosis, for my kids' diagnose. It is, it has been a game change. You can literally take up if if you like one day, my son, we were outside playing baseball, and all of a sudden his lips started swelling. Like clearly, this was an allergic reaction. And previously, I would have immediately taken him in the car, taken him to an urgent care center, right? Or I would have called somebody and said, hey, you know, his he was fine, he was breathing. But I immediately took a picture on AI and I voice dictated. I said, I am in Tampa, Florida. This is the zip code that I'm in. I'm on this baseball field, so that the AI knows what type of bug most likely bit him based on what the the you know what the the swelling looks like. Because it looked like he got bit or stung by something. And the AI will know based on you put in the I put in the address, the exact field, because it knows the exact bugs are that are out there. So I said I said, this is the address that I'm at, this is the time of the day, it's a Saturday, this is the date today. This is my son. He's he's uh you know six years, six, six years old, six and a half years old. This has never happened before. And I uploaded the picture of the lip. And the AI told me exactly he most likely got bit by this. Uh and it started asking me questions. Is he breathing fine? That's why I brought up the is he breathing fine? Is he coughing? Anything. And I said, no, he's breathing fine, he's running around. And uh it said, keep him hydrated and check in on him every five minutes and tell him to tell you if he's feeling bad or like queasy or about to pass out, or if he's not able to breathe properly, then yes, go to the urgent care. So every five minutes I was checking in. And we didn't have to miss a practice or anything. I was just checking in, hey, is everything fine? And it said, uh when you get a chance after practice, put some Vaseline on it. Put some Vaseline to everything was fine. That the the swelling went away and everything. So AI, and I I can give countless other examples, but AI, had I gone to a doctor, had I gone to an urgent care, they there's a high likelihood. I know countless examples of people who went to urgent care, and the urgent care doctor screwed it up even more. They screwed it, they did something that they were not supposed to do, they did something incorrectly. So this is where I say as more people learn, the next generation of kids, the generation below Gen Z, they're growing up with AI. And I think it's gonna be great for. We can talk about some other time about the pitfalls of AI and the bad stuff about, but I overall I think AI is gonna be great, especially for this topic that we've been talking about today. The medicine and healthcare and the pandemic. AI is gonna be great. So those are the biggest takeaways that I'd that I'd say.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:36

Yeah, we did uh we did an episode on AI uh a couple episodes ago, I think episode 17 or 18. But um yeah, we talked about kind of the pros and cons, and one of the big pros was the medicine side of it. And um, yeah, I'm I'm definitely excited to see where AI can help us medically. Um okay. Um Caleb, do you have anything else for Naresh?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:58

I don't. He answered all of the major questions that I had. So yeah, really uh appreciate your time and and reaching out to us and having this dialogue. I think uh this is an area that I'll speak for myself, I didn't know a ton about um as far as like Fauci. And obviously, I I believe that COVID had just some weird issues that it just happened really fast, and that there's just a lot of concerns there. But I do like your point that you made earlier, and I think that's my biggest takeaway, and I think I I hope a lot of other people have the same takeaway that things don't tend to always be black and white. There's there's not, you know, we're talking about the political parties. There's one side that's saying you you need to get every single vaccine and booster and you have to prevent people from dying, and then the other side that says you shouldn't take any. And it's like there tends to be a middle ground somewhere, a happy medium or you know, something like that. And so that stood out to me. But yeah, I we really appreciate uh your time and would love to talk to you about some other political issues uh whenever you're you're free.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:01

Yeah, well, just really quickly, what you what you just said, I just want to share. So if you look at the data in the EU, for example, Sweden, so they had an approach of from day one, their approach was because they again they looked at the data and they said, you know what? Anything goes. People can do whatever they want. And if people die, they die because they're they're probably you know 70 plus years old with with all these comorbidities, but we're not gonna stop life. And what ended up happening was they went through COVID once. Whereas many of these states went through COVID like like three, four, five, six times. Sweden, which is about the size of a state, went through COVID once, where their hospitals were not overrun because they don't have the population of, you know, a New York, for example, or the United States, but their hospitals were not overrun. Uh, if people got COVID, then they say, you know, come on into the hospitals, and they tried treating the best they could, and they developed the people who died, they they passed, unfortunately. And the people who were who did survive, they developed natural immunity to where uh they didn't even need to roll out a vaccine mandate. Like the vaccine, because everyone basically developed natural immunity and they moved on. And that was an example of a success story because their people, their population was healthy for the most part. And I wanted to bring up Sweden because there were countries who did it right. And and the big thing is that we were saying back in 2020, in the summer of 2020, Sweden is doing it right because this is a way natural immunity is better than any vaccine, than any type of immunity. Because if you got naturally infected by COVID once, all these other variants that I brought up, the Indian variant, the South, all these variants that popped up later. Yes, you could get infected by them. Yes, you could. But because you developed that natural immunity from from COVID, the symptoms were much lower because you had that natural immunity. So that's an important point that I wanted to make, where these vaccines were rolled out and they were meant for the the Chinese Wuhan virus, but people were still getting infected, and the vaccines did help. So even though it was meant for the China virus, you got the South African variant, the vaccine helped provide that level of protection. And then that's when they started coming out with new boosters in 2022, like late 2022. They came out with a brand new booster shot to basically find the latest variant, and that's how the flu shot's done every year, by the way. They find the latest variant of the flu, they update the vaccine to that variant because the flu shot, again, is not a vaccine. You can still get the flu. It's like the COVID shot. You can still get the flu, but you have enough protection to where you're not going to be knocked out for two weeks. You might get knocked out for a day or two. That's the whole point. And that's where that's my pro-vaccine stance. And talking about the nuance of yes, this is all very complicated stuff. It is not black or white. Even other issues that we could talk about later, you know, should men play in women's sports? That's such a vague question. That's such a, you know, what sport, what age? Again, it's very vague. And there isn't a yes or a no. People say yes or no. And and my response is, well, this is actually more complicated to talk about, and we can talk about that some other time. So I wanted people, the main thing is I want people to think about these issues. I want them to think about them and to think about the other side. The best, the best argument is gonna be the the argument that debunks the best argument on the other side. And I've noticed this about the left, and there's data that backs this off. The left does not see the other side at all. And that's why the best debaters we know out there are actually on the right. And that's why the left took out probably the best debater known to our generation, was Charlie Kirk. They took him out because when you're on the right, you have to see you're surrounded by leftists, the academia, colleges, your school teachers, the doctors who you see, they're almost all of them are leftists. Like 70% of them are going to be hard leftists. So you have to see the other side if you're on the right. You have to be willing. You have to, in order for your side to win, you have to know their best argument. You have to know the data and the facts. And that's why people on the right are just better debaters, because we had to go through college where 80% of us they were against us, and we had to put up a fight, like we we had to put up a fight. We had to. And that's how you get better. It's like if you want to become big, you go to the gym, right? If you want to get muscle, you have to go to the gym and lift weights. You can't just quit and say, Oh, yeah, I don't want to get big. But if you do want to get big, you have to lift that weight to develop that muscle. And that's why people on the right, they've developed that critical thinking muscle. And that's why the right is generally better at at debate.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:11

Yeah, I completely agree. Um okay. Uh Naresh, I know that you you you had mentioned that you uh you had a heart out. Um are uh are you uh are you cool with closing now? Yes. Okay, awesome. Well, thank you so much, Naresh. Um we really do appreciate your time and your insights on all of this. Um Caleb, do you have any closing thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:38

No, yeah, I I really appreciate reaching out to us and and having this uh this um this dialogue back and forth. I think this was good for especially me and Cooper, just hearing like the very scientific, like the facts. I feel like that's a good way of putting it, just hearing the facts. So yeah, very open to having more dialogues about other political issues and uh yeah, really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:00

All right, thank you guys very much. It was a pleasure being on, and uh, we'll be in touch shortly, all the best. Awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:08

Thank you, buddy.